In this week’s podcast, you will find my personal updates (my eating adventures in China) and my interview about true empowerment with Ashlee Noonan from Perfect Potion. I am super excited and honoured to be speaking at their special event for The International Women’s Day 2019. If you in the Brisbane area, come and check out the Masterclasses: Aromatherapy and Feminine Spirit on the 9th of March. I will be taking a group of woman on a mystical and archetypal journey to talk about Heroine Journeys and how to navigator them with tools and tips. Jennifer Jeffries will be leading the Aromatherapy masterclass that day.
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You may have heard of a saying that goes “When a student is ready, a teacher will appear”. Many years ago when I was going through some deep and reflective time, I heard a lecture by Marianne Williamson on A Course in Miracles (ACIM). Before long, I bought the book, and also I read many of her books such as A Return to Love, which is in Williamson’s own words “like a cliff notes of A Course in Miracles”. To this day, I still do the workbook exercises of ACIM, listen to her lectures and courses. For me, she is a truly empowered woman, not only because she is a best-selling author and lectured all over the world for 35 years. She is now running for the presidential candidacy for 2020. The main message of her campaign is clear, she believes that a moral and spiritual awakening is required to have deeper and meaningful conversations for this very critical time. Now, set aside any political views you may have, the fact she is running is already an act of courage.
She is a spiritual teacher, not a typical politician, everyone knows that. There are people who would likely to criticize and ridicule her, almost to be expected. In her own words, she is 66 years old, a grown woman who is in a stage of her life that doesn’t need that kind of scrutiny, but she is doing this for a reason. She thinks she can help and it matters to her to do the right thing, even if it is difficult.
That is courage right then and there. If it is easy or comfortable, with no risks or nothing at stake, no courage is required. To do something that is scary and despite all can be lost (money, reputation, career, etc.), she still jumps into that, and it shows me only a truly empowered woman will do that. To take that leap of faith and fly high.
Those who are willing to be vulnerable, to face uncertainty and to take hard decisions or conversations, are those who are willing to be empowered and they are able to do it again and again.
There are many among us who are examples empowered men and women, just look around in your family, most likely not, there is someone who
To be empowered is also about believing in yourself, the difference you can make to those around you and in the world. Everyone matters, I believe we are all born for greatness, each having a unique contribution to make. in ACIM, it talks about how when a problem occurs, the universe has already found a solution, God has sent you. Sometimes we think so little of ourselves when in fact we can do or undo great things, and then on other occasions, we think so highly of ourselves, when in fact in our ego mind is only creating a storm in a teacup, nothing more than that. The difference is, when we think of thoughts of love, we can be powerful beyond measure because we will do the right thing for one and another. But when we are taken by fear, our concerns are only about ourselves, we shrink. No matter how hard one tries, it would never feel adequate or satisfied.
So who would you rather be?
The one who thinks and acts from the basis of love, or hostage to our ego and controlled by fear?
And remember, what we fear are often just thoughts in our mind, we may not think the same way if we are in a better mood, get some rest, or talk to someone else. Our thoughts are not always true! So choose wisely.
On this topic, last week I was interviewed by Ashlee Noonan from Perfect Potion. We talked about empowered women a lot, as I will be speaking at their special event for International Women’s Day 2019 on March 9th. You can watch the interview here:
Here are the shownotes for the interview:
- What are archetypes and why they are useful in empowering us?
- Know Thy Self is the key to change or create something new and better in life
- Archetypes can help people to understand themselves a little bit deeper and become more accepting and forgiving with others
- Empowerment for women is to believe that you can have your both career and relationships and other things, it is about the ability to allow and accept your power within.
- We need to let ourselves to be vulnerable and take the risk in order to have it all
- Marianne Williamson, a renowned spiritual teacher and best-selling author, is running for the candidacy for US president and that is a tremendous act of courage
- External goals or destination cannot be reached, unless we have attained the internal transformation first.
- We are going to go on a mystical Heroine Journey at the Feminine Spirit workshop on International Women’s Day
- My favorite Perfect Potion products at the moment are: The Gratitude Blend and The Nature Range
Here is the Transcript of the Interview:
Ashlee: Hello to all the aromatherapy lovers out there. My name’s Ashley and I am part of the headquarter team at Perfect Potion. And today I’m so incredibly excited to be speaking with Goddess guru and modern day Mary Poppins about all things feminine and empowerment. If you are someone that really wants to step into your feminine power and create a life you truly desire. You are going to love having this remarkable woman who is a coach.
She’s an author and also a creative entrepreneurs specializing in personal development spirituality. She’s also a mom and a longtime yogi and lover of tea. So the reason that we’re speaking with Sze Wing today is that to celebrate International Women’s Day. Perfect Potion has decided to host a really special Masterclass here at our head office in the Brisbane venue. It’s called aromatherapy and the feminine spirit. And we really over the moon to be flying Sze Wing in.
So we thought we’d sit down and have a chat to see about her thoughts on female empowerment and also her own personal journey and her experience with what she calls the goddess archetypes, which I think you’ll find very fascinating. We’ll dive in.
Hello Sze Wing, how are you?
Sze Wing: Hi Ashley. Thank you for having me I’m really excited to talk to all of you today as well.
Ashlee: Welcome. So just to get started can you tell us a little bit about yourself and what you do in life?
Sze Wing: I guess you know at the moment I would say I’m doing a lot of coaching. I just released a book, Goddess with Many Faces late last year, end of November, early December. So I’m working on the next series of Goddess books but I would say busy with coaching, writing and obviously doing seminars and I really enjoyed doing that. I guess I found my passion or calling so to speak in terms of helping people to transform their life probably seven years ago, if not longer but everything takes time.
My journey was like everyone else, busy in finding yourself in your 20s. And then discover a few things that really got myself interested and then you have life challenges that kind of pushed you into a certain direction, and you need to help yourself to transform. And I met different teachers through different trainings and then I realized that what I want to do, how I want to help to heal or transform myself and then also share with others.
So that became the direction I would say, it was never intentional but once you get on the path you know that’s the right path and I think many people or women who are listening to this or coming to our events tend to be in the similar case, where they have some life experience or they get the idea on they want to do or because a sudden event that pushed them into finding what really matters or how they can contribute to the world. They become interested in what we’re talking about which essentially is really about healing one another, transforming the world through one another, and really contribute to the greater consciousness.
I don’t know if I answered your question but I think that is what really encouraged me or motivated me to do what I’m doing at the moment.
Ashlee: You have mentioned that you wrote the book Goddess with Many Faces and that is something about glorious archetypes and as you write so passionately and beautifully about it. It’s a really good tool. I think that people can really use them in terms of empowerment.
What is it about the goodness archetypes that appeal to you?
Sze Wing: I think one of the things I noticed with people it’s often that in this modern day is that you have a certain expectation or standard idea about how one person should behave or make certain decisions and so forth.
That’s a lot of expectation and standards out there. There is a lot of personal development or coaching program that have 10 steps to find a guy or get a better career So it seems to be a lot of following the steps based on what people lay out for you, but a big part of the key to success is to know who you are, what really matters to you. We have hidden forces or influences that you don’t know why you have certain pattern or you definitely know this is not the right kind of guys but why you do still go out with them, etc.
There are a lot of patterns that are unconscious and there are a lot of influences that we don’t know why. We hear certain things that seem to the right thing to do but we don’t want to do it or you know we’ve are more drawn to certain career or interests in people or you had particular conflicts with certain people and you kind of don’t know why and you just following certain patterns. I think knowing who you are is a very important steps whether it’s creating something or change something in your own your life.
And when I started to study Carl Jung and just Campbell’s work I realized archetype is a really big term. It’s really about the inner patterns of our psyche and they are universal pattern that is deep in our unconscious. So Carl Jung called that collective unconscious. For instance when I take for example of Athena, which is an archetype of a strategist, a very headstrong, very wise and strategic woman so she succeeds really well at school or in her career.
She is good at almost everything that she touches on but in her personal relationships, she tends to be more in her head than in her heart. So if you happen to have a sister that is Athena. So when you tell her how you just broke up with a boyfriend, and instead of giving you a big squishy hug and be warm and fussy, she may just tell you that’s probably better for you this way and you should maybe join this program or should do this and do that, they are all rational suggestions.
So for the person who is the sister of Athena but not an Athena, it will become really uncomfortable and you know kind of very confusing. It’s not because she doesn’t love you but the way how she expressed herself is different.. And so when you understand who you are also the people around you. I find it really helpful in terms of navigating the relationships because a lot of times when you find relationships difficult or challenging is because you don’t know your patterns or you’re not thinking about their patterns.
So I think understanding archetypes really help people to understand themselves a little bit deeper and also become more accepting and maybe even forgiving with others. So I just find it a very interesting thing to know about the archetypes.
Now we change all the time, it is not fixed, you will have certain patterns that you’re born with that because of circumstance that you may step up or you may want to become pregnant or become a mother and the Demeter archetype may blossom. For example before I became a mother, my Demeter profile is really low.
But as I become a mother I need to sort of borrow that energy, I guess attract or call in that influence because you want to be a better mother, more nurturing. So that’s a lot of movement in these archetypes. It’s not fixed as you change, as you age with life experience but there are certain patterns is like a blueprint in you. But by knowing your pattern or what you want to attract, you can call in the energy that is helpful to you to navigate your own journey.
So that’s why I find it quite fascinating to start and that’s how my research followed. It all started by reading and learning from Carl Jung and from Joseph Campbell and then I love the myths of the goddesses and the female archetypes and then I put it together, then suddenly I realized I’ve got a book.
Ashlee: And an amazing one too. It’s great.
You were hinting at a little bit, I guess something that I got is that empowerment in women’s is so strongly linked to feminine empowerment that that can look very different for everybody. Nearly everybody has their own kind of way that empowerment shines through for them. What does it mean to you?
Sze Wing: If you look at women’s movement say 100 hundred years ago we cannot own land or vote or did a certain things that there’s a lot inequality.
And in the 70s a lot of women’s feminine movement really did speak up for women. So that was that to get the equality in so many ways. But I think now for this time in our culture women and empowerment is really about embracing all you want to have in life. So it’s not just about having a career like in the past, it’s about being equal that you can hold on a job, you can have a really high ranking position or you make money and still have a great family and all those things.
But I think now to truly empower women is that you can embrace a career but you can also embrace a family life. You can also be a great lover and be very feminine. You don’t have to be always just fights or just to be very strong in order to get what you want. I think to fully embrace your masculine energy and feminine energy is to have the balance of it. It’s a very important thing for this time because you know a lot of times maybe in my generation.
There was a lot of trying to speak up and get your place in the world. Now the next challenge will be how do we balance all that achievements you can still be the wonderful wife at home and mother and have your career. So I actually think it’s quite hot for women to have it all but it’s totally possible. It’s about how you going to manage and empower yourself so that you actually allow yourself to have all these opportunities together.
You have to balance a little and I think to be truly empowered now is to know that you it’s possible. And another side of this coin it’s also embracing your vulnerability and embracing risk and uncertainty because you can only be truly courageous and brave when you take that leap.
And often that means there may be uncertainty despite the fact that they may not be the easiest thing or you’re not sure the outcomes but you feel your heart it’s calling and you know that you may feel expose of being vulnerable and but still take that sort of leap to ask for pay rise or to change jobs or to tell your husband that you want to relocate or want a child and all these things.
And I think being brave and courageous is not an easy thing that is trusting what you can ask for. Having it all means you can have a really full-blown wonderful life, which you need to give yourself permission but also be very brave to say this is what I want. And I think that is a very important, the part of the conversation that I see a lot of women are having or need to have at the moment.
Ashlee: Do you have a quote describes female empowerment?
Sze Wing: I like one of the most famous quotes that from Marianne Williamson. It’s about our biggest fear is not that we’re inadequate but actually we’re bright beyond measure. We have the capacity and we have the power. But you know it’s sometimes scary to embrace it to just say I want it or you know to go for it.
There’s a certain conditioning about who we are and what we should and shouldn’t do. And I think that’s a lot of such conditioning especially for women. In a course in miracles it talks a lot about sometimes we are being taught that who we are but actually that we are not, and and the vice versa that we’re being taught who are not but actually we are. It may sound complicated in a sentence but what it really means is that we are all unique and special in our own way.
But at the same time none of us is special as in we all have a special talent or unique purpose or sense of contribution is world. So that makes us equal to each other. So there’s no particular person that is meant for greatness and you are not. So everyone is meant to be great. And it also talks about you know God can’t do anything except to do it through you.
So everyone has a part to play but you’ve got to step into that role about saying that I’m going to be a really great mother and that’s what I want to do I don’t want to work anymore I want to be a really good mother to raise a bunch of really great kids. That’s a really big purpose. And there’s a lot of conditioning is saying what you should or shouldn’t be. But to be really honest and truthful about yourself and embrace that, takes a lot of courage and practice. So I think that’s is what I’m so passionate about.
To help people to understand this and to go for it.
Ashlee: You mentioned Marianne Williamson I know you’re quite a big fan of her work. She’s doing some amazing things and really has. Would you consider her your number one female icon and do you have the number one theme?
Sze Wing: It’s really a good question because when you send me the e-mail and outline this I really thought about it because it’s different at different stage.
You know the saying when a student is ready, a teacher will show up right. So at this stage I definitely would say yes. Mary Williamson It’s definitely one of the icons and I certainly admire her. She actually just had announced her run for the presidential candidacy in America. And I think it’s so courageous. It’s not because she wants to be a president in that sense but it’s about she’s a spiritual teacher.
She is a best selling author but she hasn’t been playing the politician role in the last 30 years but a spiritual teacher for 30 years. She thinks America needs a fundamental change in their moral sense and in the conversations. And you know a deeper sense of change not just changing policy or the consequences but really looking into cause. So she wants to change the way people think fundamentally and therefore she ran for it.
That’s courage because she’s said it herself, at first the people (Politian/media) will ignore you and then they will laugh at you and then you know and then you may or may not win but you are stepping up to be in a contest.
And I think that’s a really big deal. You know she also said she’s 66 and she has successes. She doesn’t need being criticized in a negative way out there. She doesn’t really need necessarily more of those challenges but she did that because she wanted to do the right things and she thinks she can help.
And I think that’s a big deal for anyone or any women. So for me that’s really something I truly admire. Say you have a great job and everybody loves you at work but you want to start your own business or to say that what I really want is to start a family and I want to move to New Zealand or something like that it could be a really big deal.
To speak up and to be true to yourself and think that what you do is going to create a positive impact on others not just thinking about yourself, it’s included but as well as your family all to make a sense of the world. It’s a really big deal. And I think that really makes me say she’s my most admired person I got at the moment.
Ashlee: And I guess I could ask you a million questions and so fascinated but one of the main things I guess people wanted to hear about is you are one of the speakers and perhaps you can share a little bit about what you’ll be speaking about this International Women’s Day?
Sze Wing: Absolutely. I thought what I’ve done in the last few years is to really start helping people to initiate change, for them to really experience that really moves them to change.
So you get motivated or you want to do something or throw yourself into an experience that also. And so what I want for that seminar or workshop on International Women’s Day is to take the women on a mystical heroine journey to talk about stages in our transformation. Often people say they have a dream, a goal or destination to be.
So that’s often our external goals. And if people follow hero journey like most movie plots say the Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter and so on. There is external destination like any fairy tale you have the “save the princess”, “kill the dragon” or “get the elixir” or whatever. So that’s external and that’s true and good. And that’s sometimes the theme of the movie or theme of your life at the moment. But what’s the bigger deal is actually the internal transformation.
So if Freddo did not become a brave and more mature man, who changed from a boy to man or a girl changed to a woman, one must go through internal transformation, say to become more true to ourselves or become truly brave or honest the internal transformation needs to happen.
You actually can not sustain the success or even reach the destination without the internal transmission happened first. So I really want to share with the women with what I’ve learned, what I have taught and from my personal experience about this hero’s journey and your own transformation. Everybody experiences a hero journey, or a transition, it can be triggered by your biological change you from a girl to become a women.
Or if you are getting married or divorced or getting a new job or leaving an old job. Oh it is a transition. Those things make you to think about your life what’s next and propel you to change. So with that I think that throws you on in internal heroine journey. Like it or not. So I wanted to talk about how to navigate this.
To help people to think about understanding their own archetypes and thus the usual response and reactions and so to prepare yourself for the transition and be gentle with yourself.
How to better handle their environment or circumstance is something that is not their natural habitat like you know there’s a lot of things I can talk about but essentially I want to take people on a journey internally and to reflect externally but learning about the archetypes. It is to help people to navigate with some tools and understanding have a deeper understanding of themselves and their transitions.
So that’s what we’re going to do!
Ashlee:I love it. That sounds amazing. I’ll definitely be there myself. One final question I have to ask. Do you have a favorite Perfect Potion product or favorite essential oil?
Sze Wing: I think I would say two things, the Gratitude blend on a roller.
It is really the essence of everything. If you are not graceful with your life, and you cannot make peace with where you are it’s really hard to go to the next place because you know you haven’t sought out where you are yet. That blend really put you in a sense of gratefulness. So I love it. And the new Nature range.
It’s all about the mood. Like so you got to walk in the forest or basked in the sun. The one about listen to the rain is one of my favorites. And sometimes working in the office and I just want to have a walk in the forest. I couldn’t, and I would just use those drops. So I love the nature range.
Ashlee: Thank you for sharing. And thank you so much for all that information. And it’s been even more exciting when we have you here in person and so we can’t wait. Looking forward to it.
Sze Wing: Thank you so much and I look forward to the International Women’s Day special event as well.
It’s going to work out perfectly I’m sure and I’m really excited. So thank you for having me.
Ashlee: Thank you so much. Bye.