67. Date Like a Goddess: Interview with Katrin Dürkoop

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Years ago when I was single and ready to date again, I came across a book called “Calling In The One” by Katherine Woodward Thomas. It is one of the books that I’ve learned a lot from and I can honestly say that it has helped me to open fully to love and become a woman ready to date! It changed my approach to find and keep a long-term relationship as well! I am a firm believer that if you would like to find a fun, loyal and caring partner, you have to become such a person yourself in the first place! 

Fast forward years later, I am happily married. I got introduced to Katrin Dürkoop who is a certified coach for both the “Calling In The One” and “Conscious Uncoupling” programs. I got really excited to interview her as I wanted to share her work and these programs with women out there who will benefit from these incredible resources in finding love and keeping relationships alive!

Karin Dürkoop is a Personal Love-Life & Relationship Coach, she lived as an ex-pat in Poland, Sweden, Singapore, Germany, UK, and now in Belgium. She had a diverse career before, she has worked in Career Coaching, Human Resources training & administration and Organisational Development. Katrin offers Personal coaching for authentic communication and connection in Life and Love.

Interview Highlight

• The top barrier to love is the distrust in love and in another partner due to past disappointments and betrayals

• Reprogram our subconscious mind to open to love again, to overcome insecurities and lack of self-love

• Becoming open, receptive and receiving love

• Recalibrate your energetic vibrational field to become ready to attract someone new into your life, from a place of self-confidence and self-worth

• Conscious Uncoupling: a life-changing experience, which can help to shift perspective,  re-surface from grief and sadness, find forgiveness and a way back to life again.

• Emerge from being single to start dating again with the help of a coach, with new perspective and without judgement

• Structure and duration of each of the programs (Calling In The One and Conscious Uncoupling) 

• You discover more about who you are and connect again with hidden parts of yourself. e.g. What does romance mean to you? It can mean different things to different people

• How to keep a good relationship alive, growing and healthy

• Keep dating: Instead of spending energy on complaining, spend it on being creative in adding surprises and fun

• Get a relationship candle to create a scared space and connection time to listen to each other

• Taking a step back to nurture our inner feminine essence like going for a women retreat or circle of gathering or just spending time with other women

If you would like to connect with Katrin, please go to http://www.transitiontime.net/

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If you are curious about your Goddess Archetypes and how it may also affect your relationship patterns or choices, you can check out my previous blog about What your Goddess Archetypes can tell you about your romantic relationships. You can also try out my FREE quiz to see which Goddess Archetype is most active in you right now.

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Sze Wing:	Hi, everyone. Welcome to this week’s new podcast. Today, I have a special guest from Brussels, Belgium and she’s actually German, and her name is Katrin Dürkoop. I always get nervous to pronounce last names because I’m Asian, I suppose. It’s so cool to be able to connect to international guests and today is no exception. So a little introduction, her website is called Transition Time and when I looked at it, I was like, “That’s so awesome,” because I can tell she also coaches women in transition and this is what I do too. But we work in a different capacity . She offers personal coaching and authentic communication connection. And she’s a love and divorce coach. So obviously, she works in specific areas, different than mine, but I just love the website called Transitiontime.net. So it’s really a pleasure to meet her today and do this podcast.
Sze Wing:	So I know that you lived as an ex-pat in many countries. You lived in Poland, Sweden, Singapore, Germany, the UK, and then Belgium, and you also have a diverse career background. You worked in career coaching, human resources, and now, obviously in the area love. And so many qualifications and coaching certification, but I think today, we’re going to talk about two things that really got me interested. One is about Conscious Uncoupling coaching certification and the other one is Coaching in The One. The reason is that actually, years ago, I went through the program called Calling in the One, that was when I was single. And I first read the book, and I did the online program, and obviously, she’s a coach in that area, but I really love that. So when I find out that actually Katrin did that certification, I really want to interview her. So that’s a long story short, so hello, Katrin. Welcome to my show.
Katrin:	Hey Sze Wing. Thank you so much for having me. I’m thrilled to be here. It’s so nice to connect across the continents.
Sze Wing:	Yeah. Good, good. Obviously, this is evening in Sydney, Australia and it’s morning in Brussels, but I love that, to do something like that for my audience, so that’s really good with technology. And going back to what I was saying before, so first, I was single, I was dating a lot and then not dating for a long time, and then someone actually recommended me the book by Katherine Woodward Thomas, author of Calling in the One, and then I liked the book, the exercises, and I did the online program. So I know what it’s about, but for some people who may not know about Calling in the One, do you want to talk a little bit about your coaching work with that in mind?
Katrin:	Yes, sure. Thank you very much. Lovely to connect and happy to hear that you went through this program successfully and found your husband. That’s really beautiful to know. So yeah, I mostly work with women, but also with some men. And well, what I’m witnessing is that the top barriers that people come to see me for are because there is a general distrust in love and in the other gender due to past disappointments and betrayal. And many of us show up from an inner wound, a core wound, yeah. And many of us carry an old story within us, like, “The men I like are not attracted to me. The good ones are all taken. If I get into a relationship, I’ll lose my freedom. Yeah? Things like I’m too old to find love again. Who wants me at the age of 50? So there’s a lot of insecurity, a lot of pain around the topic. And yeah, many of us show up from this inner wound when we relate to the other gender. And that’s why, where it gets complicated. And that’s why relations don’t work out in many cases, because of these inner insecurities, yeah, and deep distrust, yeah, a lack of self-love.
Katrin:	Well, what we do in the program is we reprogram the subconscious mind to open up again to love. We look at all the fears, barriers, and obstacles that stand in the way of actually receiving love, yeah, being receptive to it, yeah, opening up to the energy of love, yeah, and we start with self-love , of course, as the foundation.
Katrin:	And also what we do, we then release all these barriers and fears and obstacles and we transform them. And with that, you step into your next energetic level. Yeah? So we basically recalibrate your energetic vibrational field to become ready to attract someone new into your life, yeah, from a place of self-confidence and self-worth.
Katrin:	Also, another part of this work is that we shift from what is called the false love identity into the true love identity. And once you show up from this place within yourself, a lot of magic can happen.
Sze Wing:	Yeah, I think that it has been quite a few years since I read the book and did the online program as a participant. And I think one of the things, just like what you said, a lot of those barriers or people’s negative beliefs– I mean, I think mine was that I came out from an unhealthy relationship. And I think for me at that stage was I was coming of age, I was mature enough to see that wasn’t the right relationship. I want a better relationship. I feel I deserve more and I wanted to be more.
Sze Wing:	And I did a lot of work on myself and so I felt like I’m ready to date again. But I think at that time what was hard is that sometimes you can have an idea that I want to have a partner, I want a good relationship but in reality, I don’t really know what to do except to carry on what I’ve been doing. And if I keep on doing what I’ve been doing, I’m getting what I’m getting . So I don’t want to sort of leaving it up to chance.
Sze Wing:	And what I love about the book so much and about the program is that I mean, at least I’m doing different exercises to look at, oh, what can I do as an action. I love to take action because I feel I’m moving forward rather than just sitting there and waiting for things to be different. So that’s what I really like about the program because, as you said– the way you talk about it, obviously, it’s from the other side of the fence where you were the coach, you were leading someone who would be like me, working through it. And what I like is there’s a lot of action and practical exercises to unfold what’s going on within me, which I thought was really helpful. So for those who are wondering, get the book, get the program, or talk to Katrin! Because I think sometimes we don’t know what to do and having someone to help that is important, even just to talk through it and seeing things that we don’t see or telling us the truth. So how did you come across this program yourself? Were you also like me, looking for somebody or you were already helping people and you found this as a really useful tool?
Katrin:	Yes. Actually, I did the conscious uncoupling before I did the calling in the one!
Sze Wing:	Ah! Oh, tell us about that.
Katrin:	I need to just talk a little about the past because it’s like a sequence in my life as well. And that’s how I came to know about the magic of this work. So, well, many years ago, I was going through a separation from my then partner, and we had been together about,  four and a half years. And the way it happened actually was quite sudden and unexpected. And I was like, “Wow.” Saw my life crumbling before my eyes. It’s like, “Whoa, is this really happening to me right here, right now?” I was quiet, let’s say in disbelief and in shock. And I had to move out of the apartment because we live together and I had moved in with him. So it was a total mess. I was a mess. The situation was a mess.  I was feeling utterly abandoned and alone at the time. Because that relationship was in a way, my foundation in life.
Sze Wing:	Yeah. Like many of us, a relationship is so important.
Katrin:	Yes, of course. It’s our home, in a way . So, I had to move out and make arrangements to separate the household and still somehow keep my brain going and focused and go to work and get things done. But inside of me, I was shattered. And the thing was, I have friends, I have very good friends here who I could turn to and who supported me. But after a while, you don’t want to bother them with the same kind of story again and again. And I knew I needed help, but I didn’t know what kind of help. Yeah, so I didn’t want to go to a psychotherapist or a psychologist. That didn’t seem kind of right. So, then I started to do some research on the internet. And you know how one thing leads to another and then wow, I came across the Conscious Uncoupling program. Okay, so I signed up and I did the program and for me, it was life-changing . Yeah. So a few more words about that, it shifted my perspective. It helped me to surface from grief, and all the sadness and all the emotions that were pulling me down and keeping me stuck in that place. And I could see really what was the relationship dynamic at the time. Why did things happen the way they did. And I found my way back into life again. I really surfaced and I could make sense and forgive myself and him, eventually.
Katrin:	So then I thought, “Oh my goodness, this is so impactful, healing, and revolutionary. If I could ever become a coach for this program, this would be like the cherry on the cake okay.
Katrin:	It was like, “Wow. I didn’t even know something like this existed.”
Sze Wing:	Right. It is more specific and it’s very life-affirming rather than blaming or being negative. I don’t know a lot about it, but even the title tells me the essence of the program is conscious uncoupling, so it makes a lot of sense.
Katrin:	Yes. So yeah, it wasn’t until four years later that this became possible to actually sign up as a coach and be trained for this program. So I had to wait quite a while. And in those years, I took many other workshops regarding women’s spirituality and I learned a lot about how women evolve, how we heal, what we need, and so forth. So it’s been a magical journey, really.
Sze Wing:	It’s like when a student is ready, a teacher is ready and vice versa. The teacher showed up when they’re ready. I love it. Okay, so I think that’s really important that you test it for yourself, it really impacted your life so you became an uncoupling coach, and then I love this interview because I came from the other way because I did the calling in the one, but not the conscious uncoupling. So then obviously you became a coach and you liked it and then you did the other program because it’s almost like you can help women on both ends because after coming out from this wound, maybe next is to find love again or the other way around. It could be both. So tell us then how did you get into the calling in the one?
Katrin:	Yeah. Well, it was, some way or another, a continuation, like you said.
Sze Wing:	You liked it? Did you like her teaching and everything?
Katrin:	Yeah, yeah. She’s an amazing, very inspiring woman with years of experience that she has condensed into her books and into her program, actually. And yeah, so I continued on the path and also acquired certification for the calling in the one coaching program.
Sze Wing:	Yes. And how did you find it? From this end then moved to the other end? Do you find it very different in terms of approach? Or is the philosophy may be similar?
Katrin:	The philosophy is similar, yes. How you basically, well, I already mentioned it to look at the wounding and how to show up and become whole unto yourself and how to show up when you are with others and with men or with women, how to show up from a place of wholeness. Because that’s what makes you attractive, showing up from your wholeness. And of course, we all always have insecurities and little wounds and things we don’t like about ourselves and they’re all allowed to be part of us, but when it’s about, let’s say, showing up in the world and you have to show up from a different place. Yeah.
Sze Wing:	And early on you touch on that when you were going through your separation, it was very painful and obviously you have friends and support networks, but then after a time, you want something else. Friends don’t really do the job. And I actually want to touch on that, because I think people need to know friends are friends, but coaches do something completely different. Because it’s not that they are not friendly, per se, but coaches help you to, as I said early on, see something that you don’t see or aren’t able to admit for yourself. And that’s why I think coaching work is so valuable. So perhaps tell us a little bit more from your experience with working with women who are coming off of divorce or separation. So what are the common struggle, or to get back into that dating arena? Because you have the healing and the grieving and coming out of it and then is it a big gap, you reckon, between to get back into the game, so to speak? And how do you help people to transition?
Katrin:	Well, most of the women who do the conscious uncoupling program, after the program they take a few months of integration time just to read some books or just be with themselves or do another program, something they need for themselves. And then, later on, they start to feel, let’s say, an inner longing, like, “Okay, it would be nice to have somebody in my life again.”
Sze Wing:	Like feeling ready?
Katrin:	Yeah, “I kind of feel ready. I’m kind of curious. What would it be like to go out there again and to date? But I’m still a little bit insecure because I’ve been married for 10 years and I’ve been out of the dating scene and so much has changed and it’s all online these days and how do I really meet somebody and where?” So there are a lot of questions that surface. And then they come and they contact me and then we start the journey of calling in the one. And we start slowly and gently with looking at, “Okay. Who are you?” We are doing a holistic inventory, I like to call it. Who are you? And what do you need and what do you want in a relationship with somebody? What do you want to experience? What do you want to share? So it’s quite a deep dive to reconnect you to the essence of who you are. And many women also tell me, “Oh, I’ve kind of forgotten who I am along the way.”
Sze Wing:	Yes. That was actually what I wanted to ask you because when you come off from a long relationship or divorce, you had an identity in that relationship. You may be the mother figure or maybe you’re the caretaker figure. You have an identity. And sometimes, especially when the relationship isn’t healthy, you lost yourself halfway through. You don’t even know who you are. Until you get to know yourself again, it’s actually quite a process. It is not easy to do it on your own.
Katrin:	Yeah. Also, as you mentioned before, there’s only so much one can do by one’s self. I can watch you choose. Great. I can read books. Yes. But at the end of the day, it’s really good to have that sparring partner. And to really have somebody who has your back and who holds the space for you. And who’s showing you the mirror and telling you, “Well maybe a different perspective could be useful here,” yeah, or who shows you those things that you are not willing to look at or acknowledge. So, I mean, I’ve worked with coaches myself, and it’s so valuable. Yeah.
Sze Wing:	Yes. Definitely. You touch on some really important point here, that’s why we hire the coach because when you say something that it’s sometimes not easy to accept or handle after you receive it you need to integrate, and sometimes you need to work this through with somebody. So you can read all the books and YouTube video as you like, but unless you’re actually working with someone and have this communication, it doesn’t really do the job justice because it’s a really deep topic. And I think a lot of women, even with their friends, they may not come 100% open and honest because there are always these barriers, but when you work with a coach they’re not really your friend, so you can really say all you want. There’s no judgment, and I think it’s such an important thing to hold that space, so I know that with all the years you work with women, I think that was one of the things that people really need is that safe space to process these things, so.
Katrin:	Yes.
Sze Wing:	And how long normally is the program? So tell us a bit about each program, so how long when you take someone on this journey? Is there a sort of structure that follow to have a certain time, a recommended time, or is it depends on the person’s progress? How does it work?
Katrin:	Yeah. Well, sure. Now the Conscious Uncoupling is a framework, yeah, that’s made up of five steps. And in my program, I offer an additional integration session, so altogether it’s six sessions, yeah. Yeah, so it’s a framework with specific steps. Let’s say there was a red thread in there, yeah, but at the same time, the beauty of it is that it leaves a lot of space for the personal issues, yeah. So we will really talk about what’s going on in the life of a person, yeah. It’s not like a top-down approach, yeah, where you have to completely bend over to fit into a program. No. The program aligns to you as a human being, yeah. And the Calling in the one program is made up of eight steps, yeah, and that takes a little bit longer, there’s no particular reason for it, but it’s just the way the process has been designed.
Sze Wing:	And some people make take a shorter time between each step and some may take longer I suppose.
Katrin:	Yeah. Well, it says, okay, five steps, and they can be worked through in a period of let’s say four to eight weeks, yeah, depending on people’s availability, their work schedules, so there is some flexibility, yeah, but it’s good to keep momentum, and to meet, a minimum, every week or every two weeks.
Sze Wing:	Right. And you mentioned that sometimes things, so what would be those things that, from your experience, working with all these women at a group, what are the things that serve as to actually surprise themselves? They think they coming through helping me to get over the grief, but then they discover something else? There are some surprises along the way, you reckon?
Katrin:	Definitely. There’s a lot of getting to know yourself again. Yeah. You discover more about who you are and you connect again with hidden parts of yourself. Yeah. So for example, in Calling in The One, it’s also about romance. Yeah. And what does romance mean to you? It can mean different things to different people. So how do you define romance? How do you celebrate romance? What do you find romantic? Yeah. So yeah.
Sze Wing:	I personally feel I’m not a very romantic person, maybe because I have so much work and kids involved. But it’s something that we can all cultivate and grow. Right? Another thing I find interesting is that with two people, the relationship is ongoing. It’s always a growth process. Sometimes, even with the right guy at the right time and right maturity, but if you don’t nurture the relationship if you don’t put some romance or momentum or energy back into it, the relationship can still get into a stagnant stage, isn’t it? So what would you say to people when they find themselves in that situation? Because some people that I know, it’s not that they think they married the wrong guy, but it’s just that relationship doesn’t seem to be moving in that growing direction. So what would you say to those people?
Katrin:	Yes. Beautiful question. How to keep watering the garden of your love, basically. Yes. So my recommendation is to remain creative and playful. Okay? So a bit more concrete. Keep dating each other. Yeah. So take turns. Let’s say you date, let’s say you have children but you still want to date every two weeks. Okay? So one week, you set up the date. You choose the restaurant or the venue or you buy tickets for a concert or you take him to a yoga class or something else. And two weeks later, it’s him taking care of the date. And for you, it’s a surprise. You don’t know where he will take you. Yeah? So keep the surprises or stick a little note in his gym bag. Yeah? Or hide a gift under his pillow and when you go to bed, he will find it.
Sze Wing:	Yeah. I think what you’re getting at also reminds me that so many people complaining about after being married for 10 years or being together 10 years, there’s no more surprises and romance. Actually, you know what? People who said those things, they need to look hard at themselves. Are they doing something to keep it going? Right? Because you said to take turns. So we can complain about husband all day long, but are we planning dates? Are we sticking notes?
Katrin:	Yeah. How to turn the complaining into creativity.
Sze Wing:	Instead of spending energy on complaining, you could be spending it on being creative in your mind, coming up with something.
Katrin:	And may I add one more thing?
Sze Wing:	Yes.
Katrin:	Something beautiful to do is also you can buy a relationship candle.
Sze Wing:	Okay. What’s that?
Katrin:	It’s just a candle you buy in a shop, something that you like, and it’s for both of you when you sit down together at a table or on the sofa or wherever if you light the candle and you create the sacred space for your connection time. You can take turns to listen to each other. You can even time it. Put down the phone, “Okay, I’ll listen to you now for 10 minutes, or you listen to me.” And then you can ask each other, “Okay. What’s really important to you right now, and how can I support you in making it happen?” Yeah? So you can have a conversation on that. You can have a conversation about, “Hey, how are you feeling?” Just get to pour out all your feelings. The good ones and the nasty ones. You can say something, “Hey, I’m really sorry about that time when I forgot to pick up your shirts from the laundry,” or whatever. And then you can say also, “I want to thank you for that moment when you came and picked me up after the dentist appointment.” Yeah? So really sharing and honouring those moments in the everyday. And then you can also add something about the relationship like make a wish. “Yeah, I’d love us to be more intimate again,” or, “I’d like us to hold hands more often because it makes me feel really good.”
Sze Wing:	I love it. And I’ve never heard about relationship candle before, but I think this is great because you know how often, we get so busy, and when we have a spare moment, we look at our phones, right? But when you have a relationship candle and you light it, it kind of– as you said, it created space. So you have to honour the space and you kind of program yourself that, “Oh, this is relationship time, so we’re not supposed to look the phones; we’re supposed to talk to each other,” and things come up and come out, right?
Katrin:	Yeah.
Sze Wing:	But if you don’t create that space or signify it with a little gesture, you don’t have to even go out for restaurant or date or anything. Even just lighting the candles, sit on the sofa for half an hour is tremendously useful. I love that concept, and you know if there’re candles full of dust, you haven’t been doing it enough.You know how candle gather dust if you don’t use it?
Katrin:	Yeah.
Sze Wing:	So it’s a great reminder. If you’re complaining about a relationship is not moving, you look at the candle, you like, “This is full of dust.” I really love that concept. So that’s a really good tip. And remember, with Calling in “the One”, there is a chapter or something that is about becoming the person you want to date, right? So if you say, “I want someone loyal or someone,” I don’t know, “fun,” you kind of have to be that mirror yourself. And then I think it is so applicable in a relationship. Do you want to keep this alive? You need to keep it alive too. What are you bringing into the relationship? If you don’t even sit down and talk – you put no energy into something – how can something be alive? So such a great reminder.
Katrin:	Yeah. Thank you. I’m glad you like it, yeah.
Sze Wing:	Yeah, I do. Do you have any other little like tools, the widgets and that could be really helpful for couples or individuals?
Katrin:	Well, like you said, for example, when we have a moment, we keep looking at our phones, right?
Sze Wing:	Mm-hmm.
Katrin:	So how about looking into each other’s eyes? Because that’s also where the magic and the connection happens. Just becoming present with each other and slowing down and just eye-gazing for a little moment. Yeah? And just to feel that connection again.
Sze Wing:	Oh, yeah yeah, so instead of connecting with my phone, I connect with my man. Yeah.
Katrin:	Great. Small, little actions that actually says a lot because you know how often we hide behind something? Let’s say I’m not having a good day at work. I don’t want to talk about it and then we don’t want to connect with your eyes because your eyes may show and then maybe you don’t want to talk about it. I don’t know. But so often we don’t do that and then it’s just really small tips, small actions that actually really big what it can bring out. When you connect with someone you really can’t hide, isn’t it?
Katrin:	And so I can add something to that. Now, for example, just to wrap it up, the tips and tricks, how to keep the garden of your love alive, you have to keep planting seeds. You have to keep watering it. Just like a garden. You look after the plants, how they grow, and the same way, you apply that to your relationship. Yeah. What does it need right now? Tune in with yourself, with your partner. Yeah. So, for example, another thing is to speak your feelings and your needs when they come up, yeah, otherwise there is a risk that you build up resentment over time. Yeah. If you build up too much resentment of unspoken things, you start shutting down, or you explode at some time at your partner or you lash out or you become edgy, and the moment you become edgy, then something is out of balance already. Then you must check in with yourself and say, “Oh, why am I edgy?” Yeah. Does it have to do something with me or with him? Yeah. Why am I edgy? So speaking feelings and needs at the moment as much as possible, catching them. Yeah. We are so busy with so many things it’s always, oh, okay, never mind. Later. Yeah. And that later kind of builds up, and then, yeah, that’s when the resentment starts. Another beautiful thing to do is to support each other in your projects, yeah, on your path and life, on your dreams, yeah, on your travels, adventures, whatever you want to experience, but it’s also important to have at least one thing in common like a shared activity, hobby, something joyful or creative or sporty. Yeah. And also for us as women, yeah, one more thing I want to share, and I’m also being mindful of our time together, is for us women it’s important also sometimes to just take a step back and take some time out. Yeah. You probably know this, yeah.
Sze Wing:	You mean like we can over-communicate or we’re too demanding? What do you mean by taking a step back?
Katrin:	No, taking a step back is to nurture our inner feminine essence. Yeah. To go a women’s retreat, go to a women’s circle for one evening. Find one in your neighbourhood or go to a women’s retreat. Just hang out with your sisters. Yeah. Dance with them, talk to them, nurture your inner feminine essence because that’s going to, again, make you feel the polarity much stronger with your partner, yeah. Or if you don’t have a women’s circle you can just travel to another town and visit a girlfriend and have a great time together, yeah, and do whatever your hearts desire. Go shopping or go to a concert, go dancing. Or just take time out for yourself. Go somewhere. Sleep in a hotel for two days.
Sze Wing:	I do secretly think about these things [laughter].
Sze Wing:	I do secretly like fantasizing, taking that womanly time out because as a working mum you feel there’s a lot of responsibilities but then you’re not nurturing your feminine side necessarily just because– at times we’re the mothers and the warriors and caretaker, the cook and the cleaner, right [laughter], and so taking time out, and it was always in my secret fantasy to just by hiding out in a hotel by myself [laughter] and obviously it’s nice to hang out with girlfriends or dancing or retreat, but I also have a secret fantasy or just be by myself as a woman, not as a warrior, mother and cleaner [laughter]. That’s wonderful. So thank you so much for today. There’s a lot of great tips. I really love all this. I mean, little things to do it’s not very hard or difficult but I think they get very helpful and very important and so there’s no excuse for people like me not to get a candle. It’s not that hard. Or just pay attention about looking in each other’s eyes and doing little things and be mindful of all this, and it’s totally doable, and so for those ladies who are complaining out there, this is great advice that instead of complaining, try to be creative! and for those who may be looking for the one or wondering how you can pass the period of grief or the separation and the pain, Katrin is obviously going to be able to help you as a coach. So tell us, how can people find you online and how can they connect with you?
Katrin:	Yeah. Thank you so much. Well, you’re very welcome to connect with me via Facebook under my name, Katrin Dürkoop. The “u” is with two dots. That’s the German way of spelling it.
Sze Wing:	I will have the link below on the blog post so people can click on it.
Katrin:	Yeah. So basically, yeah, people like to connect with me with my private Facebook profile where I also post a lot of interesting articles and things, inspiration, and my website is also available. It’s transitiontime.net.
Sze Wing:	Great. Thank you so much and I think that’s really helpful because I’ve gone through your website. So if people are interested in either Calling in The One or Conscious Uncoupling with you they can read a little bit more about it and I think it’s a very powerful program and [inaudible] one not the other but I think both are valuable tremendously. So thank you so much for today.
Katrin:	Thank you so much for having me. It’s been great and I really enjoy talking about these two topics which are really close and dear to my heart and I probably could go on talking to you for a long time!
Sze Wing:	I know. We can do the woman thing! Thank you so much.
Katrin:	Thank you. Thank you.
Sze Wing:	Bye-bye.
Katrin:	Bye