For the last few years, I have been observing the moon cycles and my energy flow in order to plan my work and life more strategically. I have talked about that specifically on how to improve productivity, creativity and vitality in my previous episode. However, it is only recently that I dove into Astrology as I found myself became more aware of the impact of planetary movement on my internal emotions and external circumstances. As a result, I got Lisa Jones to read my Birth Chart and learned more about Evolutionary Astrology. I now realised that how my Sun, Moon and Rising signs have contributed to my nature of living in balance and my deep need to express creativity. Since then, I haven’t stopped learning and implementing what I’ve learned from this highly spiritual and practical modality.
My conversation with Lisa went beyond the zodiac signs or horoscope. It was like a conversation about our soul. We talked about using Evolutionary Astrology as a tool to look at our innate blueprint, life purpose, circumstances or traits we are born with and how to best navigate our life path. Famed psychiatrist Carl Jung was an astrologer and father of Archetypal Psychology. This is such a rich and fascinating field and I hope this conversation will get you curious and want to find out more.
Lisa is a passionate Astrologer, Teacher, Counsellor and Australian Bush Flower Practitioner. She has a lifetime love of Astrology and related modalities. Amongst some of her training, Lisa has completed qualifications through Astrosynthesis, (Melbourne), Master Level through Steven Forrest’s Astrology program, has a diploma in Counselling and advanced certificates with Australian Bush Flower Therapy. Lisa is the Australian Representative for The Organisation of Professional Astrologers (OPA) and a member of The Federation of Australian Astrologers (FAA). You can find out more about her work, offerings and events at:
What can astrology tell us?
The misconception about Astrology is not just about the horoscope predictions but it has a lot more to do with mathematics, psychology, planetary movements and spirituality.
Using Astrology as a profound way of working with the soul.
Understand the North and South Nodal Axis of our birth chart.
How free will work with our birth chart How can we live strategically, with the understanding of our birth chart and Astrology.
Cultivate self-awareness, the sense of self-worth and being true to yourself What is the difference between the astrology we normally hear about and evolutionary astrology?
How our soul has chosen specifically the sun or moon and all the planetary influence for us to learn what we have to learn, or to complete or to experience our fullest potential.
A conversation with our soul – looking at the birth chart is like sending an invitation for a deeper conversation
Astrologically, what else is in store for the rest of 2021 – both globally and on a more personal level?
Sze Wing (00:03):
Hi everyone. I’m really excited today. We have a different guest, as in, you know, I don’t think I had any astrologer on my podcast before, so today I’m really excited to have Lisa with us. She has been for a very long time in this field. And I’m going to share her introduction and background in just a little bit, but I just wanted to say I met her not too long ago, and there’s so much to learn from her and I’m totally in love with astrology and how we can use it wisely in our life. I’m super excited to have Lisa with us today. Welcome to my show.
Well, it’s lovely. I’m happy. Thank you. I’m very happy to here.
Sze Wing (00:49):
A little bit of introduction about Lisa. She’s a passionate astrologer, a teacher counsellor in Australia and Bush flower practitioner. She’s a lifetime lover of astrology and related modalities. And obviously she has lots of trainings. So she has completed qualifications through Astro Synthesis. She has master level through Steven Forest Astrology program. I think if you interested in astrology, people have heard of these names. She also has a diploma in counselling and advanced certificates with Australian Bush, flower therapy. So lots and lots of clarification. She’s Australian representative for the organisation of professional astrologers OPA. And she’s a member of the Federation of Australian Astrologists FAA. So with all this background, so I can tell Lisa is really interested in learning and teaching and obviously in astrology. So I think my first question is going to be how did you discover astrology and what got youy into spending so many years in learning this particular modality?
What a good question. One, I have definitely been asked a number of times and I have to say it goes right back to when I was a really little girl. And I always seemed to be surrounded by people that, you know, my mother had a friend that was an astrologer and I Ching and palmistry. And even from when I was like seven years old, every time she was coming over to the house, I would be like, talk to me about astrology. And because I was so young, she was very respectful of not saying too much, but anyway, from her to my first job where there was an astrologer that we used to do work for. And so I got my chart done when I was 14. And then again, when I was 18 and again, when I was sort of 21, and by that point, like I really submerged myself as best as I could because the internet was not a thing then.
So it was the library and networking and all of that sort of thing to learn. So I really just always found myself in the right place at the right time. And from a very little person when somebody would say to me, so what are you going to do when you grow up? I would say, well, I don’t know what I’m going to do, but I know it’s going to be different. And I know it’s going to be about helping people. And that’s what I knew in my heart, even when I was so small. So I guess I was really, I guess my soul came in to do this work. And thankfully I was, I heard, you know, whatever was being offered to me being put in the right place at the right time. And I just sort of followed, followed my heart. And I was determined because I had a grandmother that told me anything is possible if you put your mind to it.
So that’s sort of is what, you know, I just knew, even though I wasn’t a hundred percent sure what it was I was going to do, I knew it was going to be something like this. And then I just kept finding myself in the right place with the right teacher at the right time. And it just grew, you know, right up until today and everything that I’ve, you know, since I got on a path of I’m giving up all of my work that like the work I first did as a very, very young person and I am going to be a professional astrologer. And the minute that I actually said that out loud, it was like, the universe went okay, she’s ready. And then all these doors opened. And then I flowed from one thing to the other, to the other, to the other, and, you know, Steve and Brian in Melbourne and other teachers and doing my diploma and the people that have cheered me on, like, I’ve had lots of amazing friends and teachers and mentors that have been there to encourage me. So I hope that’s a bit of a long-winded answer actually,
Sze Wing (05:00):
Definitely, a follow up question on that, because I know your background is also in counseling and for a lot of people if you know, astrology still have a bit of a rap. The way I see it, there is actually a lot of mathematics, a lot of observing the natural phenomenon. And it’s not so much, which witchy-woo-ey I think in a way, because in modern times, if you read a girly magazine, you see your Leo this week may meet your lover, or that sounds very,uyou know, not very necessarily scientific or, you know, wishy-washy in some way, but the, I don’t know a lot of astrology, but for me, it’s definitely not. It’s like so much more, it’s really about pattern in the universe, timing about how energy influence one another. So obviously, number one, I definitely want you to elaborate on that and sort of like change a bit of a misconception, maybe for some people who see Australia is about reading a horoscope and say, who are you going to date next week or something. But the other part of it is how are you going to reconcile that? I mean, I don’t think anything happened for no reason. So the fact that you have the counseling background help you to talk to people or help people in which you definitely were using astrology. So how do you reconcile this to this particular modality?
Okay. That is such a good question because even today, people do still view astrology as, and with no disrespect to the newspapers, because in some ways it puts the word astrology out into the community, but on the other hand, it also makes it something that for me, and the way I practice astrology, it is not because it is incredibly mathematical. It is incredibly spiritual. It is incredibly mythological and also very psychological. And, you know, when you learn modern astrology, modern astrology is based on a lot of the psychological principles on Jungian theories and all thoughts, you know, psychological urges and childhood and family systems and all the things that a psychologist would work with are very astrologically embedded in the chart. So, you know, it does encompass all of this. So it is, it is definitely not woo-woo. Although it is, it is still viewed that it is a very profound way of working with the soul.
The soul for most of us. I’m sure we, we believe I know that you and I certainly do. And I am sure lots of people that are listening will acknowledge that we are not just physical bodies, you know, wandering around the planet that we are, you know, physical bodies that the soul has taken residence in, in this lifetime. And that, that soul has a very, very, very strong feeling heart memory. That is the basis of everything we come into work on in this lifetime. So it is an incredibly deep profound, you know, like I said, spiritual, psychological, mathematical mythological way of working with the cosmos and the soul and this human form, which is just so you know, it’s unbelievable synchronicity and divine timing and sacred contracts are all part of it. So yes, it is something you still come up against.
Sze Wing (08:41):
Yeah, and that takes decades to learn and master, and I know that I read that how Carl Jung actually was very interested, actually understatement to say, he’s interested. I think he’s actually an astrologer himself. He knew a lot enough for him to talk about it in a way that it shows me that he understand it and he, how really make the link and there are some authors that particularly talked about astrology and psychology in that areas. So definitely I find it it’s so fascinating. Andfor me, like when I first approach astrology after passing all this stereotype, the first time I really find it’s interesting is, when we look at a birth chart, like when you were born or the planets around you align that in a certain way, certain angles, certain distance, and it depends where you are and when you were born, it’s like a blueprint.
Sze Wing (09:39):
It never will be the same because no one is going to line up exactly the same way. So that’s your birth chart or your blueprint. And then based on that, we can talk about some patterns, some tendencies that is interesting, you know, things. And then the second part it’s about your sacred contract or soul contract, like you mentioned before, but also free will. And that’s the way I look at astrology as a first step. What would you say to the, how would you explain to someone new is it the reason why we need to do the first chart first?
So is it the reason that we do the birth chart first is to gain, well, actually let me go back and say, you know, that chart you know, if we don’t believe that’s, that’s just random, which I certainly don’t believe it is. And we’ve had that chat from the moment that we’ve taken our first breath, then what has occurred before we’ve taken our first breath for us to have the chat that we have. And, you know, I believe that we choose that chat every, you know, that chat is all the nutrients and the ingredients for our fullest potential, to become the most authentic versions of ourselves in this lifetime. And so when we, when we start with the birth chart, it gives us an opportunity to really understand what my soul has requested in this lifetime. You know, that word, karma, which we use, sometimes so often, and, someone does something often and like karma will get him, all of that, but karma really and truly how much is repetition.
So what has my soul asked to repeat in this lifetime for me to continue to work on the unresolved material? And that for me is the core of the chart, looking at the, what we call the nodal axis, you know, the south node and the north node is like the portal that the soul enters in with this feeling memory that sets up everything our lives. And yes, we absolutely do have free will. And so I feel what happens is by gaining, understanding into the natal chart, into the soul’s request in this lifetime, that we can get on a road of awareness and consciousness. And of course, when we’re open to receiving from the gods, from the universe, however you want to look at it, we become more aware and more conscious, and we can then make choices based on what we’re saving in a clearer way. And so free will works very much with the birth chart. You know, people say, well, how do we have free will. You know, we have free will as a chat word, but it’s really just about synchronizing and embracing all of it and being open.
Sze Wing (12:44):
Completely agree. And if someone say, I think I heard someone say, you’ve, whatever planets in your, whatever house, maybe you are particularly tend to have a good musical ability or something, and you are very musical, but then what you’re going to do about that given gift or talent, it’s up to you. What are you, you want to play your thing you want to practice and be really good at something, then that’s the, I think that’s the free will piece and that it’s still up to you or you’re going to do about it. Like, even though you may be given a set of circumstance or gift or talent or capabilities or lack of it is still up to you, what you’re going to do about it. And, and so that leads to my second question. So how can we, you know, in a broader term speaking live strategically, so let’s say I have a brief understanding of my birth chart and have brief understanding of what’s going on planteary wise. So how can we live more strategically? What’s your take on that?
Oh, goodness. Another good question. How can we live more strategically? Well, I guess for me, how I live more strategically is I’m following my path, being true to myself. Not, you know, I guess as human beings, you know, we all have challenges and strengths and because of so many paces or interwoven, you know, my, my need to shine as who I am, I need to find emotional security, my need to communicate in the way that it’s best for me, you know, my way to define my values, like all of these things and more certainly awareness and consciousness. And I mean, there’s so many wonderful modalities of which astrology is obviously one of them that we’re able to gain. You know, self-awareness, that’s such a great starting point to be aware of oneself and, and other, there are other means, but certainly is one of the best self-awareness tools.
I know. So I guess by, by wanting to be aware of oneself is the beginning of the path of then becoming more conscious. And when we’re more conscious, hopefully, you know, we withdraw the projections, we look inside ourselves for, you know, when we’re triggered, we bounce back from things. We grow a little more, we continued to evolve like evolution, awareness, consciousness, evolution, our fullest potential is a lifetime. It’s not like a goalpost, like all of a sudden, you know, you’re 46 years old and I have self-worth, that’s it. I have self-worth, I can go work on something else. Now, you know, it’s a constantly evolving process. And, you know, then we get tested because if we say, you know, I’m going to be strategic in the way I live my life that may lead to be aware of who I am, and I need to be true to myself and I need to get on my path and I need to do it my way, because my I’ve chosen this chart to support me to grow in every single way I possibly can.
And it’s not just, we’re not singular beings, you know, there’s many dialogues and connections going on within us. So, you know, sometimes one part of it’s a bit like an orchestra, you know, sometimes an orchestra needs a conductor and sometimes the conductor might orchestrate the strings more, but other times they may orchestrate the percussion more because they’re the areas that need the work at that particular time. And then of course, we can get them all to play together in a beautiful crescendo of energy. And the chart is a little bit like that. You know, there are periods of life and themes where we need to be a little more strategic around this area of my life because I need to grow this. Once I do that, I can then have a foundation where I can grow that. And I, you know, I know certainly in my life and I’m sure in yours as well, you know, we have chapters where, you know, we need to end one chapter for another chapter to begin. And I think all of these things are part of the strategies of clarity and centeredness and focus and, you know, growth, which is what, you know, we all come in here to be the best versions of ourselves based on what the soul knows it needs to work on because it has not been completed in previous lifetimes. So it’s such a big question that you’ve asked and I love it, but being strategic, I think is really, if I just boil it down is about really being true to yourself.
Sze Wing (17:54):
Like I don’t know whether you remember of this, Lisa you read my chart before and I have Libra rising. I’m Leo, sun in Leo and moon om cancer. So, that is sort of the three major point. And so it kind of who I am in many ways. And that in some way tells me my strength and weakness or shadow aspect, which you can read from the chart, but you can also think about your behavior or history, right? So you kind of like compare the two and, and see where it falls. I just think that it helps me more strategic in the sense that when you know who you are and maybe where you are in your life and you make different choices, or you hopefully make choices that are more aligned with that. And so your life will be more harmonious.
Sze Wing (18:49):
And that when I say strategic, because I think some people look at the word strategic as it is like, it’s about winning the game, strategic it’s about making more sales or something like it’s all tied up with the business. Well, but for me, it’s about how are we going to align with all these information? So we, we make our lives easier and more harmonious for ourselves and others. So, and I think you gave me a perfect answer and it leads to my next question, which is about evolution astrology. What’s the difference between astrology astrology or, I mean, is there a difference and can you tell us a little bit more about that?
Sure. Yeah, absolutely.So evolution. Okay. So there’s different fields in astrology just for just for anyone that’s listening, you know, someone could become a medical astrologer or they could become, you know, a traditional astrologer or a modern astrologer, there’s all sorts of areas that you can branch into. So probably the three modes I’m going to, I don’t want to say most popular, but maybe the three roads that are taken the most would be maybe traditional astrology, modern astrology, which is psychological astrology and modern astrology is the same thing and evolutionary astrology. And even though for me, I feel like evolutionary astrology is the absolute it’s so rich and it just comes from the roots of everything. It’s also an astrology that perhaps is sometimes looked at as a bit different, but it actually is just so soulful.
So, you know, modern astrology, traditional astrology is what was practiced before the outer planets were discovered. So Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto for their discoveries, it was a traditional astrologer. So, and today there are still traditional astrologers that do not take Uranus, Neptune and Pluto into account when they’re working astrologically. So that would be a traditional perspective and that they do have a different way of looking at things. Although we’ll still talk about some similarities, of course, and then a modern astrologer, like you were saying before with Carl Jung, you know, they use Jungian principles and psychological, you know, that this comes from childhood and this is as it’s. Is that again, you’re still going to hear a similar essence, but it comes for me. I feel like modern astrology is a little bit more of a clinical approach in its way it may be presented.
Whereas evolutionary astrology is very much about the soul. Why has the soul chosen this chart? Why has it chosen to have, you know, the sun in Leo and the moon in Cancer? What is the souls requests because I have, and I would have more than likely said to you. I love that image of the soul sitting with would the angels before they, you know, jump off into this manifestation and, you know, they’ve just signed a contract, which has all the things that we’ve agreed to, all the things I need to scare me so I can develop power over it, all the things, you know, that I need to experience so that I can pick up from where I left off. So I can, you know, really work on unresolved material and grow who I’m here to come. So the perspective, you know, we’re still going to talk about the Sun in Leo for example, whereas, you know, you may hear an Astrologer may say, well, you’re confident, colorful and you’re flamboyant and you are self expressive and creative and all of those things of course are, the layer one, the first layer of Leo, but from an evolutionary perspective, we’re going to say that the soul has chosen to have the sun in Leo, because, you’re here to learn confidence and creativity and self-expression, and to develop self approval.
And self-love isn’t something we just do like that. It’s something that we’re here to evolve, to shine, to define our personality. The end point of a Leo sun is the evolution of personality. And so from an evolutionary perspective, we look that the soul has made this request, and this is what we’re growing. This is our potential. And why have we chosen it? And I think that question of energy has to express, everything is energy. So the sun and Leo is an energy that will express a strength and a challenge, but it’s also underlying that has a potential for its fullest, most authentic self, but underneath that is why have I chosen it? And that’s probably what for me, separates evolutionary astrology out a little bit from the other forms is that it asks, why have I chosen this chart? And when we can understand why I have the sun in this or mercury in that, or the south node here, or the north node there, whatever we’re looking at, why that’s the healing, because when you talk to the soul, it really hears you, it can be very unspoken because it’s so much, you know, that in the DNA or astrological blueprint, that when someone talks to you in a way that you’re feeling essence, you know, really feel heard.
And so, it’s not to say a modern Astrologist can’t do that. Or a traditional astrologer can’t do that because every astrologer is also a human being and everyone is different. So everyone’s going to have a different perspective and interpretation, but evolutionary astrology for me stands out differently because it really, really works with why the soul has chosen to have this chart. And what is its fullest or authentic potential from it.
Sze Wing (25:00):
I also really believe often this time of deep, meaningful soulful conversation actually need an invitation. As in, you know, when you open up that conversation, extend the invitation through astrology or out of modalities, whatever that is, then your soul will share more. As in, it will start to open more, or the synchronicity kicks in , then more things come up, or maybe you’d just simply more aware of it all together, but in a way is that you make that step to invite and say, let me go deeper than just the basic level of who I am, what, why I’m here and what am I doing? I think, you know, that for me, that invitation, it’s really important because we don’t learn to do this. No one teachers. Sometimes you figure it out, somewhat or you bump into a teacher or I’m a sou-searching type of person, but that the invitation is important. I think the way, it’s described to me, I think evolution astrology definitely help us to extend that invitation.
I think, yeah, absolutely. You’re spot on. It really does it taps into something that’s just, yeah. That’s very soulful and it allows that to open up.
Sze Wing (26:28):
We’re going to switch gears a tiny bit to wrap this up, but I really want to ask your take on, 2021 it has been still a turbulence year, long of things are happening. When this episode go out, probably will be in July/August time. So we’re in the second half of the year. Can you tell us a little bit more about, I don’t know whether you want to take approach or perspective from the global or Australia, but tell us a little bit more about 2021 . What are the themes or what is in store? Where should we pay attention to maybe develop, navigate a second half of the year?
Oh my goodness. I love your questions. They’re so profound. And I think I heard most of that cause just the the internet just broke up a little bit. So you’re just to clarify what should we pay attention to with, just energetically? What is going on? So that’s what you
Sze Wing (27:23):
Were saying. Yeah. The rest of the 2021, and it could come from Australia perspective because I think each country can have his own chart. Right. As well as the globe, the earth. So whichever perspective you want to take, or you want to say.
Yeah. Okay. So I’m very much a person centred astrologer. And of course I do look globally and collectedly and I would, I’d certainly, I probably, that’s a question I’d probably really like to map out over six months particularly if I was looking at Australia, but just generally to answer that generally, cause it is a big question and deserves a big answer, which I’m maybe not able to give you right now, but I will say, you know, collectively, you know, we all live on this planet and I remind myself that a lot because, I have family that are all over the world and I, you know, we are actually are an united collective force, which is important to remember. And so collectively society today, be it society here in Australia, society, in Europe, society in Asia, wherever we’re talking about, we are all feeling the influences of what is going on.
And that is of course, impacting us all in relation to, you know, just let me give an example. It might be easier. So right now the transiting nodes are in the signs of Sagittarius, south node, Gemini north node. So the north node in Gemini is impacting all of us, both collectively and personally. So from a collective level, you know, what does the north node in Gemini offer us as societies? And as, as you know, mankind, you know, it asks us to find our voice. It asks, you know, and Gemini is also in work. So that again, mercury is also in Gemini. So we’ve got a very strong material, Gemini energy. And the north node is asking us if I just, you know, the north node is like, if all of a sudden out of the sky, this hand came down saying, take my hand, because I want to take you somewhere.
I want to lead you somewhere because this is what you need to pay attention to. So that’s, you know, the transiting North Node is a little bit different to what, how we might look at the north node in someone’s natal chart, but either way it is a guiding force. So collectively or globally, we’re being asked to go towards Gemini, go towards mercury. And that says, you know, we need to communicate with each other. We need to find a voice. We need to speak up. You know, we need information, you know, don’t just expect me to be this. If you’re not telling me, giving me the information so I can make up my own mind, you know, there’s I, I feel like information, how we process it, how we share and connect with each other, you know, how we speak our truth. All of these things are super important on a global level.
And I think it’s something we’re really being asked to do. And of course, Mercury rules Gemini. And so it’s a little bit like having a double whammy. The ruler of the north node is traveling with the north node in its natural rulership. So it’s really pushing us to really use our minds and make out, you know, really create our paths and not just be pushed or led in directions that we don’t understand. So I think that’s really important personally, of course, we all have that north node in Gemini impacting us on a personal level, which is going to be intertwined with our personal journey that we’ve, that we’re coming in here working on, which is of course going to be different for everyone. But certainly I, and also now just another little thing Jupiter at the moment is in Pisces, it’s retrograde, it’s going to go back into Aquarius in July.
And then towards the end of the year, I think the very end of December, it goes back into Pisces direct where it will stay, but Jupiter and Pisces retrograde Neptune is in Pisces retrograde. And both of these energies in some way are almost like floating out in the ocean. And either we have a boat with no oars, or we just have no boat. And we’re really just being asked in some ways to, you know, to go within, to find time, to reflect, to, to find a new sense of faith in ourselves, both the signs, both these planets, I’m sorry, are connected because Neptune is the ruler of Pisces. Jupiter is the co-ruler, cause it was the ruling planet before Neptune was discovered. And the fact that they are both inside in Pisces, which it rules really again, is strengthening this energy to go inward, to reflect, to find ways of doing it differently.
Retrograde periods are wonderful opportunities for revision, for realignment, for redirection. So Neptune will be retrograde for about five months. So, you know, taking us almost to the end of the year, Jupiter will not go, we’ll go back into Aquarius. So we’d go from feeling to thinking in Aquarius Pisces, as water Aquarius as Air . And then we come back into Pisces in a direct motion. So really I think between now and the end of the year will offer us a great opportunity to really, what I was just saying to just redefine, realigned, redirect, to re-analyze how we can do it differently in relation to our faith, our spirituality, our union collectively, and really come out of this year with a new vision. I think.
Sze Wing (33:43):
Wonderful, I think it is so brilliant because I definitely, agree with one of the things that you said, discern what the media or the information you get and inform your own opinion. And it’s a great time to, rethink recharge, realigned before we’re going to speak for it as well. And it’s going to change again, as you said early next year when we moving, when Jupiter is going back to Aquarius,
Sze Wing (34:16):
To wrap it up, really want to know how can people find you, what’s the best way to contact you, maybe tell us your website and what’s the best way to, what would you maybe get the chart done? Or I know that you also run events and workshops. So tell us a little bit about where they can find you as a first step.
Okay. So they can either connect on Facebook, my work, my page is Aquarius rising wellbeing, counselling, and coaching. It’s a bit of a mouthful.
Sze Wing (34:50):
Oh, I will put the link on the, on the note. So that’s easy for people to click.
And also, you know, the website, www.AquariusRising.net.au, which has always been revised. There’s always, I look at it and go, oh, there’s something else I can do. So there’s always information there and all my contact details that obviously on both of those. And yes, you know, I do lots of stuff like you do on Skype. And so, you know, it doesn’t matter where somebody is, it’s always possible to connect and I’m very open, just if people have questions, you know, if that’s all it ends up, I’m really happy to answer questions or just to be there, to offer whatever it is. Someone might, if they’ve got an inquiry, you know, it’s just, I’m very and happy to answer any questions, but I did want to just say one last thing too. One other little thing that I do, which I’m very passionate about, even though it’s only maybe a small thing is once or twice a year, I take people on pilgrimages in Greece.
Then, of course, I haven’t been able to do that, which I’m busting to get back because Greece is such a beautiful spiritual center, but next year in may end up in may. And then in September, let’s say September, because may is almost full. I have one of these sacred site trips happening and they’re 14 days with our own bus doing work on ourselves, learning astrology, doing drawing, works, learning Greek mythology, going to the sacred sites, feeling that energy. And it’s a really beautiful, sacred time like pilgrims, you know, we travel each trip is different. Each one has a different theme. That’s also on the website and they’re really beautiful trips and I’m very passionate about them. So I’d love if anybody has questions about that place, you know, I’m sure by next year when things will start to change and we can travel that, something someone might be interested in and Greece is beautiful for anyone that hasn’t been there. It’s a really amazing place
Sze Wing (36:57):
And is a perfect background for learning histology, astrology and all that stuff.
It’s wonderful. Yeah. I mean, it all goes together.
Sze Wing (37:06):
Yeah. So thank you so much, Lisa for today’s interview and I will make sure you have all the website and social handles in the link below. And I just really want to thank you for this wonderful time together. And it’s super interesting and it helped a lot of people who can find you online to learn more about astrology.
Thank you so much. And I want to thank you because I know you are also doing amazing work and you know, you’re such an inspiring woman and I’m very honoured to be here, to sit and talk to you today. So I want to thank you very, very much.
Sze Wing (37:43):